Hello, dear Reader! With this article we will continue the theme of the flat earth and present another fact proving the correctness of this theory. Do not rush to spit at the monitor if you are a skeptic of this topic, but simply study the proposed material and check it yourself.

Of course, most of the population is not given the opportunity to check what the map of the world in which we live should actually be. But a curious mind always wants to believe that our world is not the same as we are used to seeing it. And not only people live on this big land.

But sooner or later we will figure out all this confusion!))

World Map: false or real?

So, on our agenda. This is how she is presented to us from childhood:

It's simple. We find a map of the flat earth world on the Internet:

What do you see? Doesn't this remind you of the ratio of continents, the sizes that Yandex showed us? Coincidence or accident?

But that is not all…

Comparison

Here is the official UN emblem:

Don't notice anything?

• Firstly, on it all the continents in relation to each other are of the size that the Yandex ruler shows us;
• Secondly, it is very reminiscent of a flat earth map. Don't you find it?

Question for skeptics - How is this possible?)

Is this a coincidence or are we really being pushed into the wrong things since childhood? And most importantly, why are they doing this? And why is Russia artificially enlarged, as if they wanted to scare someone with their mass)) Or cover it up? After all, against the backdrop of huge Russia, Australia is visually lost. Maybe they are hiding something on its territory? And they want people to look anywhere but at tiny Australia? Hm…. One can only guess...

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It hides not only real sizes, but also continents. We will definitely tell you about one of them on the pages of the site soon.

American rapper B.o.B is raising money for satellites to find evidence that the Earth is actually flat. And on September 25, the federal TV channel REN showed an episode of Igor Prokopenko’s program, which states that filming from space is computer graphics, and the video with astronauts on the ISS is studio filming on chromakey with further processing. The Flat Earth Society regularly appears in news headlines. Who are all these people and what to do if they are trying to prove to you that the Earth is not a geoid or even a sphere - in the material of “Futurist”.

“If the Earth were a ball, the waters would flow down from it and people would die of thirst and plants would dry up. The earth, O most worthy and noblest of teachers and mentors, was and is in the shape of a flat disk and is washed on all sides by a majestic river called “Ocean”. The earth rests on six elephants, and they stand on a huge turtle. This is how the world works, O teacher!” - this is what the answer of Volka Kostylkov, the hero of the fairy tale “Old Man Hottabych” looked like at a school exam in geography. The teachers decided that the head of the astronomical circle and a diligent student was sick or worried, but in fact the culprit for Volka’s failure in the exam was a fictional character, a genie named Hassan Abdurrahman ibn Hottab, who was released after 3.5 thousand years of imprisonment in a bottle and decided to help to your savior.

A flat map of the Earth drawn by Orlando Ferguson in 1893. The map contains several references to passages from the Bible, as well as arguments against the sphericity of the Earth

It's hard to believe, but people who would rate such an answer as "excellent" still exist. The Flat Earth Society is increasingly making headlines. According to members of the society and their followers, the Earth has the shape of a flat disk with a diameter of 40 thousand km, in the center of which is the North Pole. The South Pole does not exist at all, and what we call Antarctica is an icy mountain that runs along the edge of the Earth, cutting it off from the rest of the world. Supporters of the theory support their conclusions with ancient maps depicting a flat Earth. They claim that all photographs and videos of the Earth from space are falsified by space agencies as part of a conspiracy theory - and in general, space does not exist. There is also no gravity within the framework of their cosmology: objects are attracted to the Earth, because it supposedly constantly moves upward with an acceleration of 9.8 m/s². And finally, there is no atmospheric pressure.

Who are all these people?

In ancient times, people really believed that the Earth was flat. This concept appears in the cosmogonic myths of the ancient Egyptians and Babylonians, in Hinduism, Buddhism and Scandinavian mythology. However, already early scientific research gave an idea that the Earth has the shape of a ball. For example, Aristotle in 330 BC. e. provided evidence of the sphericity of the Earth. In particular, he noticed that the starry sky looks different at different latitudes.

In the Middle Ages, views on the structure of the Universe were varied. In the writings of the church fathers, the Earth appears either as a pancake or as a ball, hovering over the sea under a spherical dome, and in illustrations from the book of Cosmas Indicopleustos, the surface of the planet is inscribed in a tabernacle - a camp tent where the church could be located - and the Sun rises from behind a large mountain and sets for her. However, Ptolemy's idea dominated: the Universe is a closed system, in the center of which is a stationary spherical Earth, surrounded by nine rotating heaven-spheres, which are located one above the other. This idea is reflected in Dante's Divine Comedy.

However, there have always been people who claimed that the Earth is flat. As a rule, these were religious fundamentalists, illiterate people or charlatans. In 1956, Briton Samuel Shenton created the International Flat Earth Society (IFERS), better known as the Flat Earth Society. The organization was to become the successor to the Universal Zetic Society, which was founded by the English writer Samuel Rowbotham. This man, who lived in the 19th century, lectured for a long time on the flat Earth under the pseudonym Parallax and wrote the book “Zetetic Astronomy - The Earth is not a Globe.” During one of his lectures, in which he could not explain why the masts of ships remained visible on the horizon while their hulls disappeared, he had to flee. And in one of the experiments, he falsified the results, saying that the lighthouse lantern on the horizon was completely visible, although in fact only half of it was visible. Contemporaries called him a charlatan, but noted his wit and skill as a storyteller.

Shenton deeply embraced Rowbotham's ideas. Shortly before the launch of the first satellite in the USSR, he said: “Will sailing around the Isle of Wight prove that it is spherical? It’s the same with these satellites.” Because of the space race, the ideas of society did not gain popularity. But with the arrival of a new president, journalist Charles Johnson, the flat Earth theory gained many supporters. Johnson acted as a professional media man: the Apollo program became an information source for popularizing the ideas of society. Society leaders publicly claimed that the moon landing was a hoax, filmed in Hollywood from a script by Arthur C. Clarke or Stanley Kubrick. The society gained several thousand supporters and existed until Johnson's death in 2001. It was later revived by Samuel Shannon's namesake, Daniel, as a website.

In the United States, flat Earth ideas were championed and propagated by religious fundamentalists such as John Alexander Dowie and Wilbur Glenn Voliva, who led the Christian Catholic Apostolic Church, founded by Dowie in 1895. In one of Russian speaking groups Flat Earth supporters on VKontakte write that the community was created “to counter pseudoscience that encroaches on the foundations of the biblical world order” and is called upon to fight everyone who preaches “atheism and obscurantism.” They describe their worldview as “Scientific Orthodoxy.”

At the same time, many church representatives criticize their views. Thus, the Tsargrad TV channel published critical material about Igor Prokopenko’s film “But the Earth is Flat!”

With the advent of popular Internet services such as YouTube and Twitter, it has become much easier to spread such ideas. Previously, members of the public had to drop leaflets, but now it is enough to post a video or post a tweet.

“We are pleased to see that the gender bias in the representation of the flat Earth theory is disappearing. Just look at this cool woman!”

Rapper B.o.B. started posting tweets in support of the flat Earth theory last January. In particular, he wrote that if the Earth were spherical, the horizon would be curved, but this is not the case in reality. The young man believes that all videos and photos from the ISS and frames from space telescopes were shot with a wide-angle lens (fish-eye), which distorts the real contours of objects.

Science popularizer Neil deGrasse Tyson responded to B.o.B’s tweets and began explaining to the musician that it’s all about the low viewing angle.

However, the musician was not convinced. The rapper recorded the song Flatline, where he appears as a man who revealed the truth about the flat Earth to the world and therefore became the number one target for the intelligence services. B.o.B included a recording of his opponent’s lecture in which Tyson talks about the sphericity of our planet. And he recently launched a crowdfunding campaign to raise money to launch satellites that would photograph the Earth and test its shape. The rapper does not have a concept for satellites, but he managed to collect $2,136 out of 1 million.

Basketball player Shaquille O’Neal also voiced his views on the shape of the Earth, following his colleague, Cleveland Cavaliers player Kyrie Irving. However, Irving later said that he was just joking and did not think that his words would be taken seriously. But O’Neill is confident that he is right.

“I drive from Florida to California all the time, so it's flat for me. After all, I don’t move up and down at an angle of 360 degrees, I don’t feel gravity and other nonsense. Have you seen all these buildings outside of Atlanta? Are you saying that China is under us? This is wrong. The earth is flat,” O’Neill said on the Internet radio station podbay.fm.

The solar eclipse of August 21, 2017 led to numerous YouTube videos showing how the details of the eclipse proved that the Earth is flat.

And a scandal recently erupted in Arab scientific and educational circles when a Tunisian graduate student attempted to defend a thesis claiming that the Earth is flat, stationary, at the center of the Universe, and is 13,500 years old.

On September 25, the federal TV channel REN showed an episode of Igor Prokopenko’s program dedicated to the flat Earth theory. It says that filming from space is computer graphics, and the video with astronauts on the ISS is studio filming on chromakey with further processing. As stated in the film, flat earthers even launched a rocket, and it broke through the dome, but no one at NASA believed them.

Andrei Bukharin, presented in the credits as a “science popularizer,” appears as an expert in the program. In fact, this man is engaged in astrology. He has his own website, on which he tries to popularize astrology as an exact science - while modern science denies the effectiveness of its methods, and in the American Science and Engineering Indicators assessment system, astrology is completely the standard of pseudoscience.

How to argue with them?

Only the most basic arguments are given here.

“The horizon is straight, but photographs with a curved horizon are shot with fish-eye.” It just seems to us that the horizon is straight. We are on the surface of the planet, and our height is too short and our eyes are too narrow to perceive the curvature of the line. But it can be seen from an airplane window or from the roof of very tall buildings.

“Photos and videos of space are fake!” It turns out that not only the leaders of NASA and Roscosmos are involved in the global conspiracy, but also ordinary cosmonauts who personally broadcast from the ISS, and amateur astronomers who photograph deep space objects and other planets without any remuneration. Strange logic. Flat Earthers often cite the following video as an example of the use of chromakey. Indeed, chromakey of this kind is used as a substrate for 3D animation. However, the grid looks different: the cell sizes in it are different. A video grid is used to video record the trajectory of objects against a clear background.

“There is no gravity, the Earth is simply moving upward with universal acceleration.” Suppose that if a person jumps, the Earth will not pull him back (there is no gravity), but will itself rise up. Then how do birds, insects and airplanes fly? After all, according to this theory, nothing can remain in the air for a long time, since the disk is constantly rising.

“The sun is located only 4,800 kilometers from us and has a size of approximately 51 kilometers.” How then can we explain the change of seasons and the length of the sunny day, as well as climate zones? The Earth's surface would always receive the same amount of heat and light.

“How can planes land on a runway if the Earth is round and constantly spins on its axis? By the time of landing, the runway would have moved far from the intended landing site.” Atmospheric pressure drags along everything that is in its field of action. That is, everything that enters the atmosphere flies along with the surface of the Earth.

“There is no atmospheric pressure.” Invite your opponent to climb the mountains and monitor his well-being at high altitude. After this, you can solemnly read him a school physics course.

"The moon is a hologram." At this point, you can apologize to the person and end the conversation. Let him think that you are at the same time with them - it’s more fun.

There are many theories about what our house is like. Some argue that the Earth is round, this is the dominant theory supported by official science, others are confident that it is flat and provide many facts as proof that refute the scientific theory, and others believe that it is hollow and inside it there is a world of its own with oceans, land, civilization, your Sun and your Moon. Which one is right? Or maybe everyone is right? Just need to combine all these theories into one whole and we will get a real picture of our world?

The ancient Greeks believed that the Earth was flat and floated in an endless ocean from which stars appeared and disappeared in the morning, going under water. They considered the earth to be convex, like a shield, surrounded by the waters of an endless ocean, and the sky above it was like a dome.

The ancient Egyptians believed that the world worked like this. Below is the Earth, above it lies the sky goddess, to the left and right are the ships of the Sun god at sunrise and sunset.

There are many ancient maps that have survived to this day, where the flat world is depicted in quite detail and quite professionally. For example, on the famous maps of Piri Reis created by him in 1528, you can see: Greenland, Labrador, Florida, New Foundland.

How could a Turkish admiral, a contemporary of Columbus, draw up such a complete map of the world? How did he know about the existence of Antarctica?

In 1531, another unique map of the Flat Earth appeared by the French mathematician and geographer Oronzio Finei. On it, the configuration of the Antarctic belt corresponds to modern maps. In addition, Antarctica is depicted with mountain rivers and ridges! No ice cover!

And there are many similar maps; there is information that the existence of America and Antarctica was known back in the time of Alexander the Great.

A Flat Earth map, "Gloreanus", drawn in 1510, was found in the Bonn library, with the exact contours of America - from Canada to Tierra del Fuego.

In October 1965, the University of Wales (USA) published the Vinland map, published in 1440 in Bern, the unknown author of which indicated the shores of what is now Canada and North America 52 years before Columbus.

It turns out that our “backward” ancestors knew more about the earth than was thought; they discovered everything 400 years before it was discovered by “enlightened scientists”.

So, supporters of the flat Earth theory believe that our world is a Flat Disk, which is surrounded by an ice wall of Antarctica, which covers the entire disk, how far it goes into the depths is unknown, as well as what is behind this wall.

From above the Earth is covered by a “Dome” under which the Sun and Moon and the rest of the “planets” rotate. The Moon rotates slightly lower than the Sun. The stars are just light bulbs on the Dome.

The Moon does not reflect Sunlight, as official scientists claim, but is a source of its OWN light, and this light at night is colder than the darkness surrounding it. Simply put, this is not the light of the Sun reflected from the surface of the Moon, but its own light.

This is what a trip around the world looks like over a flat Earth.

This is what Ferdinand Magellan's journey around the Earth looked like in 1519-1522.

The sun moves over the surface of the Flat Earth, where it is bright. Where he is not there is night.

How do seasons work? Why is it cold in winter and hot in summer?

There is a separate question about the ISS and satellites in orbit in general. Today, 99% of all Internet traffic travels through undersea ocean cables between continents, rather than via satellites.

Satellite dishes on homes are only called "satellites" because they all point toward the horizon, not the sky, at a 90% angle. These antennas receive ordinary radio signals from ordinary transmitting towers located on Earth, but not from Space.

This is not satellite, but tropospheric radio communication, the distance of which is from 300 to 800 km. The signal bounces off the ionosphere. What scientists call the “Ionosphere” is the same “Dome” that covers the earth from above and which reflects radio waves down to the Earth.

And everything that is less than 300-800 km can be covered with additional 300 meter towers.

The official flat earth map. Created in 1892, a paper copy is kept in the library of Boston, USA.

“AS IT IS” what it really means. On the right and on the left it is written: scientifically correct and practically correct.

The United Nations, ICAO - International Civil Aviation Organization, IMO - International Maritime Organization, WMO - World Meteorological Organization use the Flat Earth map.

And Antarctica is nowhere...

And this is only part of the facts indicating that the theory of a flat Earth has the right to life and factual justification, coupled with historical documents, but my goal is not to fully describe it, the main thing is that it is quite probable, and now let’s move on to the theory of a hollow Earth.

In ancient times, almost all peoples were convinced of the existence of a vast underground world. Hades among the ancient Greeks, Sheol among the Jews, Agharti among the Buddhists, Svartalfheim among the Normans...

The ancient Greek philosopher Plato was the first to put forward the theory of a hollow Earth. British astronomer and geophysicist Edmund Halley, the discoverer of the famous Halley's comet, proposed his hollow Earth hypothesis in 1692.

Halley wrote that the Earth is a shell about 1000 kilometers thick. And inside it is a core the size of Mercury, which heats the interior of the planet. Thanks to this, its own animal and plant world was formed there.

The prevailing theory of the hollow Earth today describes our planet as a shell, the inner surface of which is about as populated as the outer surface. Inside there is everything familiar to us outside: oceans, mountains, clouds. A miniature Sun hovers in the center of it all, warming the interior space and its inhabitants.

Slightly away from the North and South Poles there are openings that connect the inner and outer worlds. The internal civilization is more developed than the external one. The inhabitants of the inner space use flying saucers to fly outward through openings, which explains the UFO phenomenon. Only the government knows about the holes and carefully hides the information.

There are several places on Earth through which an initiate can go to the center of the Earth and meet representatives of the inner civilization.

Or maybe it’s worth combining all three theories? In this version, everything falls into place. The earth consists of two halves. One side is a flat convex shield with a dome, its own Sun and Moon, surrounded at the edges by a wall of ice.

But there is a second part exactly the same. The second convex shield with its own dome and the Sun and Moon, located below. These are two separate worlds connected together into one round Earth.

These two separate worlds develop in parallel but independently of each other. You can get from one world to another through tunnels located in the center of each of the worlds in Antarctica.

These are Yin and Yang, and each lives on its own part, independently of each other, but still on essentially one planet, if, of course, the concept of “planet” fits the definition of such a world. It is rather an artificially created world. And its goals are unclear. It is likely that the civilization “on the other side” once communicated with the civilization on “this side”, but then the connection was interrupted.

If we rely on the fact that no space exists at all, that we are essentially locked in this two-faced world under huge impenetrable domes, then the only explanation for the UFO phenomenon is that these “aliens” are guests penetrating through a connecting tunnel into our world. Why is this a separate question?

Maybe that other world is the main one, and ours is only its reflection, like in a distorting mirror, and it develops by learning from our mistakes. Maybe our part is a testing ground, a laboratory for the development of civilization on which probable paths of historical and technological development are rolled back.

Hell and Heaven in essence. All that remains is to understand where you and I live in that part of this world where “PARADISE” is or where “HELL” is located.

Recently, in a post about Yuri Senkevich, one of the commentators confused me. I won’t explain; it’s better to quote his words verbatim:

“Yes, the globe is funny... Considering that everyone in maritime navigation and aviation uses a flat earth map (azimuth map).
When will this truth be revealed and people will expose this lie?”

When asked why the globe made him laugh so much, I received this answer:

"The fact that heliocentrism was invented 500 years ago by Copernicus, for a large fee. Before that, people had hundreds of maps and drawings, in ALL cultures, about the opposite. The Bible also says about this. Now in the USA the truth has been going on for a year, actively They talk about it and show it on YouTube. Moreover, they are already conducting physical experiments, launching balls, taking measurements, and more than 200 facts have already been collected. It’s just that people who have seen the globe in school since childhood are used to it. (+ Hollywood films)

P.S. Search YouTube for "200 facts about flat earth".
Whether you believe it or not is up to you, just study for yourself.
P.S. The bigger the lie, the harder it is to refute it."

Like this. In the 21st century, it turns out that instead of flying to other worlds, we are returning to the idea of ​​a flat Earth.

I became interested in what this 200 evidence was and found it. Ready? Go!

The horizon always appears completely flat 360 degrees around the observer, regardless of altitude. All footage from rockets, planes and drones showing a curved horizon is fake

Law of communicating vessels ( well at least he's not a fake). Here, like, if the earth were a ball, the water in the ocean could not be at the same level ( Apparently the glass would all face south)

Rivers only flow downwards in any direction ( North South West East), and if the Earth were a ball, then many of the rivers could not flow, since it is impossible to flow upward ( to the north, as I understand it)

Surveyors, engineers and architects never take into account the expected curvature of the Earth when designing

If the earth were actually a ball, then airplane pilots would constantly have to adjust their altitude, otherwise they would fly into outer space

To summarize, it all comes down to this:

The Earth is a flat disk 40,000 kilometers in diameter, centered near the North Pole
- The Sun and Moon rotate over the surface of the Earth. The same thing happens with the stars.
- Gravity occurs due to the fact that the Earth is moving upward with an acceleration of 9.8 m/s?
- The South Pole does not exist. What seems to us like Antarctica is an ice wall encircling the world.

All photographs of the Earth from space are fakes

The distance between objects in the southern hemisphere is much greater. The fact that flights between them are happening faster than the flat Earth map should indicate is because airline pilots are also involved in the conspiracy.

Who can tell me what this is?! How to perceive this?! Are we sliding into the Middle Ages?!

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“The Earth is a sphere of the universe” and a “flat earth plan”... structures... March 7th, 2017

I'll bring something up...
Since childhood, we have had this picture drilled into our heads and visualized:

Or a globe... division into two parts...
When I was figuring out my “structure of the Earth-universe” it really bothered me... when I saw pictures like this

AND ESPECIALLY THIS... I'll call it picture A...

then I constantly wanted to place all the continents in one hemisphere... I wanted that and that’s it... but that false visualization got in the way since childhood... let’s remember my structure of the Earth - the universe I drew up before all these pictures I saw later...

So I “felt” my structure more like this picture A... / I didn’t know how to put both hemispheres of the “world globe” imposed on us into one... although even then I indicated on my structure where people walk only in a small area " Earth - the universe" around the "yellow circle - the sun"...
and then I saw a hint... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPKQqRXPME from the 36th minute watch and the map at the 42nd minute... or in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qNG1W-Zuv4 s 14.5 minutes and especially the map in the White House at the 16.5 minute... or here is the same map:
""""I ask you to look at the map of the flat earth "As It Is", issued in the 19th century, found in a library in Boston: """ (19th century is the first half of the 20th century and there were still fewer lies then)

""""According to the attached map, Chukotka is located next to Alaska""""
""""And what’s most interesting is that planes never fly over the South Pole (from the perspective of the globe). For example, from Australia to Chile (South America) the shortest route is through the South Pole (according to the globe), but in practice, planes fly through North America, which is absolutely illogical if you do not take into account the flat Earth map. This is clearly proven by the incident a week ago - information in the media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...lping-out.html:
On September 16, 2015, a woman from Taiwan went into labor during a flight from Bali to Los Angeles, causing the plane to make an emergency landing in... Alaska. The plane departed from Taiwan International Airport. See what the route looks like on a flat Earth map and how it looks on a globe of the Earth. It becomes clear why it was convenient to stop in Alaska.

""""""""

That everything is a lie and everyone is “harshly deceived” is said a lot... but I need to remember how it really is... the flat Earth is so ridiculed and those who say that it is flat are considered ignorant... but for me the Earth is a spherical universe. .. but here the earthly plane where we live in this human body is really a round disk and with a flatter structure but also a little curved...
Again, you need to know that the “Earth-universe” is a “living being” of a spherical appearance... and imagine a pregnant woman

if we outline a round belly and draw a circle completely with the inclusion of all the vital organs of a woman in this “ball”, then we will get the “Earth-universe”... if we look at this ball as if in a section in the middle from above, we will get picture A... but here “plan Earth” with our continents it will be exactly a flat disk like on the map from Boston... or here is the author’s video... and so far I think that that green circle in his video in the middle is in the area of ​​the “woman’s navel” "and that “yellow disk” is in my structure... to understand what the “earthly plane” is, you can look at this picture

or imagine a valve like this without a “leg”...

here where we cut the leg there is a “yellow circle” - the “navel” on my structure or where it is written below “NOON - noon (the noon meridian passes through this “point”)” in picture A... you need to draw) and you need to remember where in what point are these “green-yellow circles” located... on that map this point can be falsely shifted to the “north” or “northeast”...
but here is a system of just such a flat surface of a disk curved outward “valve” that can rotate in a circle in the middle of the “belly of the Earth - the universe”... and that is why technogenic boys are so fond of such flat “Petri dishes”...

I’ll add a diagram drawn quickly... the “earth plane” is really a round “disk” and slightly convex towards the middle - the center around which it rotates... but not a ball...

"""Flat Earth map by Professor Orlando Ferguson, 1893.The illustration to the right of the map makes fun of round-Earth theorists."""


here the “mechanism of action of solid systems” is indicated and you need to fill it with more water - there will be oceans... only this is inside the ball... continents are like “hills” on a convex disk to which water reaches... and water will make the surface of the “earthly plane” more flat...